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<r e December 12, 1963 Inspector J. H. Sawyer talked to Deputy Chief George L. Lumpkin and received the following statement: "I went to the basement of the City Hall on November 24, 19&3, to observe the transfer of Lee Harvey Oswald to the County Jail. I arrived about 3 minutes before they brought Lee Harvey Oswald out of the Jail Office, I was standing on the flat part of the ramp near the right front fender of the car driven by Detective C„ N. Dhority. This was on the West side of the car« I did not know Jack Ruby and I did not see him in the basement# I did not see the shooting although I did hear the shot0ri Inspector of Police JHS:nw (p(t $